tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post6061226841226823470..comments2024-03-27T17:57:42.627+00:00Comments on The Masked AMHP: Should AMHP’s be scared about DD v Durham County Council?The Masked AMHPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01348865658320780867noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-67278232080020883692017-06-21T03:12:55.911+01:002017-06-21T03:12:55.911+01:00Does anyone know the outcome after this went to th...Does anyone know the outcome after this went to the high court?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-65710609081539028222013-09-16T09:05:39.007+01:002013-09-16T09:05:39.007+01:00If it is deemed unfeasible to ensure the hospital ...If it is deemed unfeasible to ensure the hospital provides the right environment then what about the issue of admitting to a chair in order to try and meet the bed availability legal requirement? Common practice in this area as there a few beds and patients are often 'contained' in public areas on wards/ adjoining wards until a 'bed' is actually found. We all know about this Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-76022107627127786082013-09-10T16:14:20.927+01:002013-09-10T16:14:20.927+01:00Thought as much..Thought as much..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-34568219197955015962013-09-09T22:15:06.258+01:002013-09-09T22:15:06.258+01:00Think I'll get a job in Tesco instead.Think I'll get a job in Tesco instead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-70254558325070359082013-09-09T08:30:56.264+01:002013-09-09T08:30:56.264+01:00Up until now...
The breach in human rights in this...Up until now...<br />The breach in human rights in this case is to do with the regime and claimed inhumane treatment within this particular hospital setting which the AMHP seems to have assumed was appropriate. How does that make a private hospital ( or a more appropriate NHS hospital)? It doesnt. Expanding the pool of options provides more appropriate settings.<br /><br />This doesnt get past Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-88006239631841251372013-09-08T21:01:25.154+01:002013-09-08T21:01:25.154+01:00The AMHP legally has to be satisfied that admisiso...The AMHP legally has to be satisfied that admisison to hospital is the only option, in other words, that have to actively consider all the alternatives to admission -- eg. no admisssion, residential care, staying in a B&B, involvement of the Home Treatment Team, etc. If the AMHP believes that hospital is the only option, then up till now, the AMHP was not responsible for which hospital the The Masked AMHPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01348865658320780867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-89836452862585963952013-09-08T19:12:35.453+01:002013-09-08T19:12:35.453+01:00' Before making an application for the admissi...' Before making an application for the admission of a patient to hospital an approved mental health professional shall interview the patient in a suitable manner and satisfy himself that detention in a hospital is in all the circumstances of the case the most appropriate way of providing the care and medical treatment of which the patient stands in need.'<br /><br />Tell me how you Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-6681939535208621972013-09-08T16:56:05.623+01:002013-09-08T16:56:05.623+01:00I think it amazing that the original judge could s...I think it amazing that the original judge could say "An AMHP has certain responsibilities under the Mental Health Act which include recommending a person for detention under s.2 or under s.3."<br /><br />The judge seems to be struggling to get his/her head around the difference between a recommendation and an application for detention under the MHA.<br />Given a fundamental AaranAardvarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04289433800028337687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-30778643070860420032013-09-08T16:19:59.901+01:002013-09-08T16:19:59.901+01:00Professionals often assume that court action is si...Professionals often assume that court action is simply undertaken to force the authorities to admit they did wrong and possibly compensate. While this is a part of any action - since it is rare to hear an AMHP service or hospital say sorry - it is only a part of it.<br /><br />How else do you expect a patient to get protection from unlawful actions that deprives them of their liberty in the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-80323225935923515412013-09-08T15:07:51.795+01:002013-09-08T15:07:51.795+01:00If any AMHP really believes that at this point of ...If any AMHP really believes that at this point of time MH patients feel protected by the system then please wake up. In this area there are no admissions without detention now . Probably because the only way a hospital bed can be secured is through detention under MHA. Proportionate/legal/ethical ...no. AMHP trying to do the best they can at that point in time when hospital managers are refusing Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-89635745563780195292013-09-07T19:35:08.612+01:002013-09-07T19:35:08.612+01:00Was this case in relation to a S2 or a S3?
S3 pa...Was this case in relation to a S2 or a S3? <br /><br />S3 paperwork requires the medics to state where appropriate treatment is to be provided ie the name of the hospital (or a tick list if not bed has yet been identified).... not the AMHP.<br /><br /> I would hope other AMHPs consider the HR Act - I certainly do, especially when considering an application for a warrant. It has also been a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-83071539713138137802013-09-07T18:04:04.908+01:002013-09-07T18:04:04.908+01:00Hello
I didn't deny the travel agent didn'...Hello<br /><br />I didn't deny the travel agent didn't have liability, just less liability than the airline. I'd genuinely like to know, why has DD's legal team gone for the AMHP? Easier target? I'd be a little concerned about this sort of opportunist litigation, based on vulnerability, rather than liability, being a possibility. Don't see how nailing the AMHP is likely toAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-78736216140947260002013-09-07T13:07:17.826+01:002013-09-07T13:07:17.826+01:00Re the last post and litigation responsibility it ...Re the last post and litigation responsibility it is not an either or situation and the LA always has a duty of care that goes beyond MHA assessments. <br /><br /> And this is where MH services come unstuck as those assessing for detention only ever seem to see this function through the prism of the MHA or MCA. Human Rights legislation is never a driver it is seen simply as an annoyance. Add in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-21576709758544743582013-09-07T12:10:42.674+01:002013-09-07T12:10:42.674+01:00You're quite right, Kelly. I've now amende...You're quite right, Kelly. I've now amended the post.The Masked AMHPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01348865658320780867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-58757535674060961652013-09-07T10:55:57.914+01:002013-09-07T10:55:57.914+01:00Thanks. I think. Scary. The implications are proba...Thanks. I think. Scary. The implications are probably wider as they'd also apply to care managers who have much more practical discretion in choosing placements for service users in the entire care sector and potentially also to a wide variety of other professionals making judgements about referrals into secondary care.<br /><br />I suppose how alarming the proposition that “the AMHP must putAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-69978742409700271262013-09-07T10:32:30.333+01:002013-09-07T10:32:30.333+01:00How did this case get an appeal? It is obvious tha...How did this case get an appeal? It is obvious that the implications of a ruling in favour of DD would result in every AMHP handing in their warrant and throwing their hands in the air!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-20171506360844194822013-09-07T10:20:42.389+01:002013-09-07T10:20:42.389+01:00Just a small comment, but 4.75 of the code of prac...Just a small comment, but 4.75 of the code of practice states that if detention is required it is the doctor's responsibility to find a suitable bed in a hospital...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01443665557203408833noreply@blogger.com