tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post8732863080253015510..comments2024-03-27T17:57:42.627+00:00Comments on The Masked AMHP: Conveyance of Mentally Disordered Patients to HospitalThe Masked AMHPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01348865658320780867noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-67579649961172876472018-07-26T15:46:05.434+01:002018-07-26T15:46:05.434+01:00I assume there were 2 medical recommendations, but...I assume there were 2 medical recommendations, but that he was not liable to be detained as an AMHP could not complete an application without a hospital. In normal circumstances the AMHP is responsible for arranging conveyance once a bed has been identified and an application made. however, if he was in prison, might he not have to go to court to be released? Or was he in prison "informally&The Masked AMHPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01348865658320780867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-18441316469925540522018-07-25T15:15:20.723+01:002018-07-25T15:15:20.723+01:00Hi Masked AMHP
I'm a forensic mental health w...Hi Masked AMHP<br /><br />I'm a forensic mental health worker, and recently had a case where a man was remanded to prison despite havinf s2 papers, awaiting an available bed, as he was considered a danger to the public, and we thought it inappropriate to proceed with sentencing when he was clearly so unwell and were considering a not guilty by reason of insanity plea.<br /><br />Anyway, when JCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-15880161454173637582012-04-28T18:12:20.171+01:002012-04-28T18:12:20.171+01:0028 April 2012
Dear Masked AHMP and Ged,
Thank yo...28 April 2012<br /><br />Dear Masked AHMP and Ged,<br /><br />Thank you very much for these responses, as I believe there is a question of uncertainty as to what actually IS a public place.<br /><br />What do you call these, are they or are they not public places:<br /><br />1] public house/pub/inn <br />2] hotel<br />3] hostel<br />4] restaurant<br />5] fast food shop / burger chain<br />6] Rosemary Cantwellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-38772470795729696412012-04-25T21:14:56.075+01:002012-04-25T21:14:56.075+01:00From MentalHealthCop:
The only thing I think it o...From MentalHealthCop:<br /><br />The only thing I think it off in the above article / discussion, is the suggestion that an AMHP can "instruct" the police to detain and convey on their behalf. Independent legal advice obtained by the police contradicts this and there is nothing in the Act or Code which indicates that the police can be compelled to accept an AMHPs desire to delegate.<brAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-76491036158380107312012-04-18T22:52:08.180+01:002012-04-18T22:52:08.180+01:00I would have thought that a hospital would have in...I would have thought that a hospital would have in itself constituted a place of safety, so it would be difficult to justify placing someone on a S.136 who was already in a place of safety. Of course, once someone is detained under S.136 they can be moved between places of safety. Also, while the entracne and corridors of a hospital might constitute a public place, I don't think that a The Masked AMHPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01348865658320780867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-79136082506051089392012-04-18T20:49:14.367+01:002012-04-18T20:49:14.367+01:00Hi Rosemary, I started replying to your post think...Hi Rosemary, I started replying to your post thinking that yes the Police can use their power under section 136 to remove a person to a place of safety then I started to have niggling doubts about whether a hospital constitues a place "to which the public has access" as it is defined in the Act. So maybe the masked amhp can help us out!? It might be helpful for you to have a look at theGed Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-42936470874029627232012-04-16T18:42:19.902+01:002012-04-16T18:42:19.902+01:00I read your response with great interest. You stat...I read your response with great interest. You state: "We have virtually no mental health training. Traditionally it consists of a few hours on the legalities of the MHA to ensure we can ascertain a section is legal before we escort the patient"<br /><br />Where is the law on this please? I made a Freedom of Information Act Request to the Metropolitan Police Service asking if it is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-1532059778714620372012-04-16T08:01:51.581+01:002012-04-16T08:01:51.581+01:00I would agree with most of the anecdotes about con...I would agree with most of the anecdotes about conveyance best practice in this article - I have used a car on several occasions - if the back seat is wide enough I would recommend 2 escorts, one each side. And, yes, I have had several who have 'gone quietly' once the AMHP is insistent and/or stood back and let ambulance crews take charge. I abhor the excessive obsession with risk formsTony Bowyerhttp://www.tonybowyer.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-37469889041623974872012-04-15T19:50:11.241+01:002012-04-15T19:50:11.241+01:00This does presuppose that all mental health staff ...This does presuppose that all mental health staff are well disposed to emergency MH patients. In my experience some are but that has not always been the case for me.<br /><br />I think the good people in MH care need to realise that their unprofessional colleagues can either deliberately or accidentally upset and frighten MH patients. As such it is wrong to assume that all difficult behaviour is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-85840154607113807992012-04-15T18:40:05.992+01:002012-04-15T18:40:05.992+01:00Hiya,
I didn't read the post as critical of a...Hiya,<br /><br />I didn't read the post as critical of ambulance crews, but the transport issue is another of the situations where the difference perspectives and priorities of the people involved (MH professionals, ambulance and police) can lead to confusion and problems. We all operate within certain constraints and come to situations with differing experiences and priorities. This is whereJesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07515449910253799485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-56956816854300120742012-04-15T18:21:23.283+01:002012-04-15T18:21:23.283+01:00Hi Jess, thanks for your comments.
I don't wis...Hi Jess, thanks for your comments.<br />I don't wish to criticise ambulance crews -- they're usually very helpful -- and i agree that if the patient is likely to be aggressive, then the police should accompany the ambulance or a decision should be made about using police transport.<br />My main criticism is concerning the Ambulance Services themselves -- while a detained patient may not The Masked AMHPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01348865658320780867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-31712229324603543542012-04-15T17:43:15.655+01:002012-04-15T17:43:15.655+01:00From a paramedic's perspective, some thoughts:...From a paramedic's perspective, some thoughts:<br /><br />- We have no control and restraint training, thus will always ask for the police if the patient has a history of violence or we feel there is a risk of this happening. This is for both our and the patient's safety. I agree this can lead to significant delays. Another option would be to have appropriately trained NHS staff availableJesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07515449910253799485noreply@blogger.com