tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post860501165387046789..comments2024-03-27T17:57:42.627+00:00Comments on The Masked AMHP: Can a person be detained under more than one section of the Mental Health Act at once?The Masked AMHPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01348865658320780867noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-32719229813100133072023-02-13T20:05:55.877+00:002023-02-13T20:05:55.877+00:00If someone is recalled during a weekend and the ou...If someone is recalled during a weekend and the out of hours decline to revoke the cto and the person wishes to leave what powers can be used to prevent the person from leaving? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-3756793093214228542022-08-02T13:18:39.473+01:002022-08-02T13:18:39.473+01:00You can only use a CTO for a patient actually deta...You can only use a CTO for a patient actually detained under s.3 (or s.37), not an informal patient.The Masked AMHPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01348865658320780867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-59772364239807106172022-08-01T23:24:18.120+01:002022-08-01T23:24:18.120+01:00If SU been detained on s.3 when admitted and now a...If SU been detained on s.3 when admitted and now an informal patient, however issues around accepting depot medication still observed while in the hospital and potentially accepting social care support in the community. Could application of CTO be appropriate as a framework for SU to hopefully keep her mental health stable in the community? Would application CTO off the table now that the SU is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-68871107060898456902021-05-04T11:47:34.271+01:002021-05-04T11:47:34.271+01:00It ll depends on whether the patient is accepting ...It ll depends on whether the patient is accepting inpatient treatment. If they are agreeing with the ward regime, they can remain as an informal patient, if they are objecting, and wanting to leave, then they would need to be detained under s.5(2) and then assessed for a further s.3.The Masked AMHPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01348865658320780867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-41579897149553686322021-05-02T20:58:08.525+01:002021-05-02T20:58:08.525+01:00Section 3 has expired. Would a fresh application b...Section 3 has expired. Would a fresh application be needed and in the interim place on a 5(2)? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09128257574267390416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-423867911136733552021-02-12T07:53:49.853+00:002021-02-12T07:53:49.853+00:00Suitable transport should be arranged to transfer ...Suitable transport should be arranged to transfer him to the recall hospital, providing they are medically fit. Section 17E(6) states: "A notice under this section recalling a patient to hospital shall be sufficient authority for the managers of that hospital to detain the patient there in accordance with the provisions of this Act." Section 17F(3) states: "(3) If he is so The Masked AMHPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01348865658320780867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-49000974504135346172021-02-11T21:23:44.733+00:002021-02-11T21:23:44.733+00:00P has been admitted to acute ward and cto expires ...P has been admitted to acute ward and cto expires in 3 days. Rc has recalled to recall hospital not current hospital. What legal framework does current hospital have in relation to preventing p leaving?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-23380301492320176942020-11-09T21:47:29.005+00:002020-11-09T21:47:29.005+00:00And of course the CTO could be revoked and the und...And of course the CTO could be revoked and the underlying s.3 would then come into play. Not really any need for DoLS.The Masked AMHPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01348865658320780867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-69207535081109408562020-11-09T20:57:26.206+00:002020-11-09T20:57:26.206+00:00Good point did not think of that. For the time be...Good point did not think of that. For the time being the hospital are the patient on DOLs; but if the treatment on the ward is prolonged they may explore recalling to the general ward.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04974005417939360003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-1590354342523881232020-11-09T19:18:14.030+00:002020-11-09T19:18:14.030+00:00I guess they could be theoretically admitted to a ...I guess they could be theoretically admitted to a psychiatric ward and given s.17 leave to the medical ward. If the general hospital has a Mental Health Act Administrator and can accept MHA paperwork, then they could be officially recalled to the medical ward. If the general hosputal has a liaison psychiatrist, then that psych. could be the RC.The Masked AMHPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01348865658320780867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-10133133142162649352020-11-09T13:57:54.183+00:002020-11-09T13:57:54.183+00:00Dealing with a case today where the patient on CTO...Dealing with a case today where the patient on CTO was admitted to a general ward and it was decided to serve them with CTO3 recall paperwork. The problem now is that the patient is not medically fit to be discharged from the medical ward. Can he be recalled to the general ward? If not what legal framework can be used to keep the patient on the ward who is actively trying to leave?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04974005417939360003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-71059651062600073112020-10-26T09:20:58.189+00:002020-10-26T09:20:58.189+00:00The RC can recall them to hospital. That then give...The RC can recall them to hospital. That then gives 72 hours to decide whether or not to revoke the CTO. It only takes a letter.The Masked AMHPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01348865658320780867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-84150203502965842302020-10-24T18:29:32.661+01:002020-10-24T18:29:32.661+01:00What if someone on a cto is in hospital as an info...What if someone on a cto is in hospital as an informal patient however require sectioning in an emergency when in hospital can they be placed on 5(4) or 5(2)? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-83388871879894770502020-09-07T16:47:19.266+01:002020-09-07T16:47:19.266+01:00Yes but could someone be on guardianship and a CTO...Yes but could someone be on guardianship and a CTO?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-88296824552783887282020-08-09T19:08:18.248+01:002020-08-09T19:08:18.248+01:00It's tricky to have a deprivation of liberty w...It's tricky to have a deprivation of liberty with a CTO condition, so Guardianship could cover that.The Masked AMHPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01348865658320780867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-80910780725005862372020-08-07T13:58:32.548+01:002020-08-07T13:58:32.548+01:00Any thoughts from anyone about concurrent CTO and ...Any thoughts from anyone about concurrent CTO and Guardianship? A complicated CAMHS /medium secure discharge case Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-164222673256385062020-01-12T08:33:03.745+00:002020-01-12T08:33:03.745+00:00Theoretically they could be, if the requirements f...Theoretically they could be, if the requirements for s.136 were met,but this would not be good practice. A police officer is required to consult with a mental health professional prior to a decision to use s.136, and if the facts were known, they would be unlikely to be advised to detain under s.136.The Masked AMHPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01348865658320780867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-11878199981746446052020-01-11T23:02:40.221+00:002020-01-11T23:02:40.221+00:00If P is subject to CTO, then arrested, then Police...If P is subject to CTO, then arrested, then Police later discover CTO and inevitably there will be a wait for a recall bed, can P be made subject to s136 (ie when Police know they are subject to CTO? ) - logic is that place of safety preferable to police station during waiting time. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-29787390854388706872018-02-04T13:11:36.789+00:002018-02-04T13:11:36.789+00:00Someone on a CTO can be detained under S.136, but ...Someone on a CTO can be detained under S.136, but could then agree to informal admission. This does not affect the CTO. If the patient is refusing to adhere to the conditions, eg refusing to take medication, then they would have to be recalled, even if an informal patient, at which point they can legally be given medication. They could then be discharged from hospital, remain as an informal The Masked AMHPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01348865658320780867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-380213133018137281.post-81778187061706617222018-02-03T21:10:48.258+00:002018-02-03T21:10:48.258+00:00Can I ask a question? Is it legal for a person sub...Can I ask a question? Is it legal for a person subject to a CTO to be a voluntary patient in a MH hospital after being detained under Sc136? Also if one of the conditions of the CTO is to take medication via depot injection but the patient refuses but ends up as a voluntary patient is the whole CTO actually illegal? Patient was discharged day before tribunalAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02114071787717591072noreply@blogger.com